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Inspired by Tumblr’s decision to ban “female-presenting nipples” as mature content: a collection of Leif & Thorn characters with bare chests.

Including at least one cis man, cis woman, trans man, trans woman, intersex woman, transmasculine enby on T, transfeminine enby on estrogen, and transmasc+transfem enbies on no hormones. (All adults here, in case you were worried.)

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See when i look at that, i just see ‘they they they they they’
It’s really the only valid pronoun for referring to a human being in the English language.

Huh. Changing my capitalization changes my snowflake!

Changing the capitalization of the email entry will change the image, IIRC? e.g. youremailhere[at]domain.here will yield a different gravatar than youremaIlhere, etc.

I would demonstrate, but my gravatar is a specific image that I uploaded, so any variation should still result in the same icon. I have only tested this by using both of the email accounts tied to my WordPress to make comments here.

They is an awesome pronoun to use when you don’t know (as Panda mentioned), but making everything gender neutral can actually be a tactic to avoid using a binary (he/him or she/hers) trans person’s preferred pronouns while seeming “progressive”. For example, in Vermont a trans woman was elected into office, so rather than using her preferred pronouns, they started using only gender neutral language to avoid treating her as a woman. This is just one way that using “they” can actually end up mis-gendering a person. It’s a delicate dance, but once you know someone’s preferred pronouns it’s important to use those pronouns 🙂

What is the difference between ze/she or ze/they?

You’ve listed three different pronouns, there.

“She” is feminine and singular, usually used by women.

“Ze” is gender-neutral and singular, used by some nonbinary people. It was coined in the 1970s.

“They” is gender-neutral and usually plural, but for centuries it’s also been used to refer to a single person if you don’t know that person’s gender. More recently, it’s gotten popular with some nonbinary people too.

Ugh. got in a fight about using “they”. I use they with non-gendered human nouns (like teacher or lawyer). After using they to describe a teacher:
“you can’t use they as a gender neutral pronoun because it is plural, we have to make up a gender neutral pronoun”
“We have one Xe, for it’s been around for decades, that you still don’t know it shows making one up isn’t working”
“Well we can use that one then, they isn’t proper grammar”
“You is plural, that’s why it’s /you are/ not /you is/. Singular is thee.”
“just because people used thee insted of you acheint times does not change that they is plural now”
“How would you say someone left their jacket?”
“People leave their jackets”
“Imagine you found one singular jacket, and you don’t know whose it is but you want to express that someone left it. How would you say that?”
“I wouldn’t”
“Would you say ‘Someone left his or her jacket?’ does that sound better than ‘someone left their jacket?'”
“You are not going to convince me of this. I know you like they, but it’s wrong and you are doing it wrong”
Ugh! They were reasonable until I started arguing that they /is/ grammatically correct. I don’t think they hate non-binaries? I think they hate using gender neutral language when talking about some one who is non-binary? Like this post. I referred to them as “they” because you don’t know what gender they are, even though I do. It’s not important to the story.

Yeah, this person is being ridiculous. Singular “they” was used in English in “ancient times” too — it’s been around for at least as long as singular “you”. There’s no meaningful difference. But people still act like only one of them has a sacred blessing of legitimacy from the Grammar Gods.

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